Mike interviews Julie Winkle.
Leadership. It’s a word we throw around like candy, but how often do we understand what it means? The truth is, there’s no one-size-fits-all formula. Leadership isn’t just about barking orders or cracking the whip—it’s about vision, connection, and creating a culture where people feel empowered to become their best selves.
That’s the kind of wisdom Julie Winkle Giulioni brings to the table. In her book Help Them Grow or Watch Them Go: Career Conversations Organizations Need, and Employees Still Want, she flips the script on traditional leadership and development strategies. This type of book makes you rethink not just how you lead others but how you lead yourself. If you’re in the trenches of running a business, managing a team, or even figuring out how to stand out in your career, this is a conversation you need to hear about.
One of the standout moments in this discussion is Julie’s take on leadership styles. What does it take to truly inspire a team? It starts with knowing how to show up as a leader in a way that’s authentic to you.
Too many people try to mimic someone else’s style—whether it’s a mentor, a boss, or even a popular leadership guru. But the problem is, that’s not sustainable. According to Julie, leadership works best when rooted in your strengths and personality. Whether you’re the “paint the vision and let them run with it” type or someone who leads from the trenches, it’s about finding your lane and owning it.
Stop trying to wear someone else’s mantle. Your team will buy into your vision if you lead from a place of authenticity. And once they do, you don’t have to micromanage them. You’ve already given them the tools, the mission, and the buy-in. That’s where the magic happens.
Climbing the corporate ladder is outdated. Not everyone wants the corner office, and that’s okay. In Help Them Grow or Watch Them Go, Julie challenges the idea that development is about promotions and pay raises.
Instead, she advocates for a more holistic view of growth—one that’s tailored to the individual. Maybe someone on your team isn’t interested in climbing higher but wants to deepen their expertise. Perhaps they want to develop leadership skills without the official title.
Career development isn’t just about upward mobility; it’s about forward momentum in any direction. As a leader, it’s your job to recognize that and create opportunities for your team to grow in ways that excite them.
Julie’s message is clear: If you’re not helping your people grow, they’ll find someone who will.
It can be easy for business leaders or entrepreneurs to focus solely on hitting targets and scaling operations. But Julie reminds us that culture eats strategy for breakfast.
She talks about how personal growth directly impacts team growth. Picture this: You’re modelling healthy habits—prioritizing self-care, staying curious, or embracing change. Your team sees that. They adopt those behaviours themselves, creating a ripple effect throughout your organization.
It’s not about grand gestures like off-site retreats or fancy workshops (though those have their place). It’s about the everyday moments—how you respond to challenges, your conversations, and the example you set.
When you create an environment where growth is safe and exciting, people stop fearing change and start embracing it. That’s when you build an effective and unstoppable team.
Julie’s insights remind us that growth isn’t just about becoming better employees but better humans. Whether you’re learning a new skill, tackling a new challenge, or just figuring out how to show up as your best self, growth is addictive.
Once people taste that, they’re hooked. They stop resisting new tools, systems, or even new roles. They lean into transformation, and that’s when innovation takes off.
Imagine what your business could look like if every single person on your team was excited about becoming the best version of themselves. That’s what Julie’s book is about—it’s a blueprint for creating that kind of culture.
In today’s fast-moving world, the only constant is change. The best leaders aren’t the ones who fight change; they’re the ones who embrace it. Julie Winkle Giulioni gives us the tools to do just that.
Her strategies aren’t just about keeping people engaged—they’re about creating a culture where everyone, from the CEO to the newest hire, is excited to grow.
So here’s the challenge: Start thinking differently about leadership. Show up authentically. Invest in your people’s growth—not just their promotions. And watch as your business transforms from the inside out.
Mike Fallat, aka The BookMan, is the owner of Dreamstarters Publishing and the Million Dollar Book Agency. They have helped 300+ entrepreneurs become bestselling authors. His goal is to help 1,000 entrepreneurs publish books and teach them how to use their books as a gateway to generating 7-figures.
Visit website for more information: https://www.milliondollarbookagency.com/
[{"id":2393,"link":"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/dr-steven-yacovelli-author-of-your-queer-career-workplace-advice-from-the-gay-leadership-dude\/","name":"dr-steven-yacovelli-author-of-your-queer-career-workplace-advice-from-the-gay-leadership-dude","thumbnail":{"url":"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/steve-yacovelli.png","alt":""},"title":"Dr. Steven Yacovelli - Author of \"Your Queer Career: Workplace Advice from \"The Gay Leadership Dude.\"","author":{"name":"Bookman Forever","link":"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/author\/mdbapodcast\/"},"date":"Dec 16, 2024","dateGMT":"2024-12-16 11:53:00","modifiedDate":"2024-12-13 17:53:56","modifiedDateGMT":"2024-12-13 17:53:56","commentCount":"0","commentStatus":"open","categories":{"coma":"<a href=\"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/category\/podcasts\/\" rel=\"category tag\">Podcasts<\/a>","space":"<a href=\"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/category\/podcasts\/\" rel=\"category tag\">Podcasts<\/a>"},"taxonomies":{"post_tag":""},"readTime":{"min":4,"sec":49},"status":"publish","excerpt":""},{"id":2385,"link":"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/janelle-brittain-author-of-how-to-say-it-performance-reviews-phrases-and-strategies-for-painless-and-productive-performance-reviews\/","name":"janelle-brittain-author-of-how-to-say-it-performance-reviews-phrases-and-strategies-for-painless-and-productive-performance-reviews","thumbnail":{"url":"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Janelle-Brittai.png","alt":""},"title":"Janelle Brittain - Author of \"How To Say It Performance Reviews: Phrases and Strategies for Painless and Productive Performance Reviews\"","author":{"name":"Bookman Forever","link":"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/author\/mdbapodcast\/"},"date":"Dec 13, 2024","dateGMT":"2024-12-13 17:42:59","modifiedDate":"2024-12-13 17:43:03","modifiedDateGMT":"2024-12-13 17:43:03","commentCount":"0","commentStatus":"open","categories":{"coma":"<a href=\"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/category\/podcasts\/\" rel=\"category tag\">Podcasts<\/a>","space":"<a href=\"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/category\/podcasts\/\" rel=\"category tag\">Podcasts<\/a>"},"taxonomies":{"post_tag":""},"readTime":{"min":5,"sec":0},"status":"publish","excerpt":""},{"id":2369,"link":"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/paul-falcone-author-of-101-tough-conversations-to-have-with-employees-a-managers-guide-to-addressing-performance-conduct-and-discipline-challenges\/","name":"paul-falcone-author-of-101-tough-conversations-to-have-with-employees-a-managers-guide-to-addressing-performance-conduct-and-discipline-challenges","thumbnail":{"url":"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Paul-Falcone.png","alt":""},"title":"Paul Falcone - Author of \"101 Tough Conversations to Have with Employees: A Manager's Guide to Addressing Performance, Conduct, and Discipline Challenges\"","author":{"name":"Bookman Forever","link":"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/author\/mdbapodcast\/"},"date":"Dec 10, 2024","dateGMT":"2024-12-10 15:09:01","modifiedDate":"2024-12-10 15:09:05","modifiedDateGMT":"2024-12-10 15:09:05","commentCount":"0","commentStatus":"open","categories":{"coma":"<a href=\"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/category\/podcasts\/\" rel=\"category tag\">Podcasts<\/a>","space":"<a href=\"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/category\/podcasts\/\" rel=\"category tag\">Podcasts<\/a>"},"taxonomies":{"post_tag":""},"readTime":{"min":5,"sec":11},"status":"publish","excerpt":""},{"id":2362,"link":"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/julie-winkle-giulioni-co-author-of-help-them-grow-or-watch-them-go-career-conversations-organizations-need-and-employees-still-want\/","name":"julie-winkle-giulioni-co-author-of-help-them-grow-or-watch-them-go-career-conversations-organizations-need-and-employees-still-want","thumbnail":{"url":"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Julie-Winkle.png","alt":""},"title":"Julie Winkle Giulioni - Co-Author of \"Help Them Grow or Watch Them Go: Career Conversations Organizations Need and Employees Still Want\"","author":{"name":"Bookman Forever","link":"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/author\/mdbapodcast\/"},"date":"Dec 5, 2024","dateGMT":"2024-12-05 17:12:14","modifiedDate":"2024-12-05 17:12:18","modifiedDateGMT":"2024-12-05 17:12:18","commentCount":"0","commentStatus":"closed","categories":{"coma":"<a href=\"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/category\/podcasts\/\" rel=\"category tag\">Podcasts<\/a>","space":"<a href=\"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/category\/podcasts\/\" rel=\"category tag\">Podcasts<\/a>"},"taxonomies":{"post_tag":""},"readTime":{"min":4,"sec":48},"status":"publish","excerpt":""},{"id":2346,"link":"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/jessica-pettitt-author-of-almost-doing-good-doing-the-best-that-you-can-with-what-you-have-some-of-the-time\/","name":"jessica-pettitt-author-of-almost-doing-good-doing-the-best-that-you-can-with-what-you-have-some-of-the-time","thumbnail":{"url":"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/Jessica-Pettitt.png","alt":""},"title":"Jessica Pettitt - Author of \"Almost Doing Good: Doing the Best That You Can With What You Have Some of the Time\"","author":{"name":"Bookman Forever","link":"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/author\/mdbapodcast\/"},"date":"Dec 2, 2024","dateGMT":"2024-12-02 11:04:00","modifiedDate":"2024-11-30 19:11:42","modifiedDateGMT":"2024-11-30 19:11:42","commentCount":"0","commentStatus":"open","categories":{"coma":"<a href=\"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/category\/podcasts\/\" rel=\"category tag\">Podcasts<\/a>","space":"<a href=\"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/category\/podcasts\/\" rel=\"category tag\">Podcasts<\/a>"},"taxonomies":{"post_tag":""},"readTime":{"min":4,"sec":51},"status":"publish","excerpt":""},{"id":2342,"link":"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/ed-brodow-author-of-negotiation-boot-camp-how-to-resolve-conflict-satisfy-customers-and-make-better-deals\/","name":"ed-brodow-author-of-negotiation-boot-camp-how-to-resolve-conflict-satisfy-customers-and-make-better-deals","thumbnail":{"url":"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/Ed-Brodow.png","alt":""},"title":"Ed Brodow - Author of \"Negotiation Boot Camp: How to Resolve Conflict, Satisfy Customers, and Make Better Deals\"","author":{"name":"Bookman Forever","link":"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/author\/mdbapodcast\/"},"date":"Dec 2, 2024","dateGMT":"2024-12-02 11:00:00","modifiedDate":"2024-11-30 18:28:28","modifiedDateGMT":"2024-11-30 18:28:28","commentCount":"0","commentStatus":"open","categories":{"coma":"<a href=\"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/category\/podcasts\/\" rel=\"category tag\">Podcasts<\/a>","space":"<a href=\"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/category\/podcasts\/\" rel=\"category tag\">Podcasts<\/a>"},"taxonomies":{"post_tag":""},"readTime":{"min":5,"sec":11},"status":"publish","excerpt":""},{"id":2330,"link":"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/chris-fenning-author-of-the-first-minute-how-to-start-conversations-that-get-results\/","name":"chris-fenning-author-of-the-first-minute-how-to-start-conversations-that-get-results","thumbnail":{"url":"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/Chris-Fenning.png","alt":""},"title":"Chris Fenning - Author of \"The First Minute: How to Start Conversations That Get Results\"","author":{"name":"Bookman Forever","link":"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/author\/mdbapodcast\/"},"date":"Nov 21, 2024","dateGMT":"2024-11-21 12:44:10","modifiedDate":"2024-11-21 12:44:13","modifiedDateGMT":"2024-11-21 12:44:13","commentCount":"0","commentStatus":"open","categories":{"coma":"<a href=\"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/category\/podcasts\/\" rel=\"category tag\">Podcasts<\/a>","space":"<a href=\"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/category\/podcasts\/\" rel=\"category tag\">Podcasts<\/a>"},"taxonomies":{"post_tag":""},"readTime":{"min":4,"sec":43},"status":"publish","excerpt":""},{"id":2310,"link":"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/kenneth-cloke-author-of-resolving-conflicts-at-work-ten-strategies-for-everyone-on-the-job\/","name":"kenneth-cloke-author-of-resolving-conflicts-at-work-ten-strategies-for-everyone-on-the-job","thumbnail":{"url":"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/Kenneth-Cloke.png","alt":""},"title":"Kenneth Cloke - Author of \"Resolving Conflicts at Work: Ten Strategies for Everyone on the Job\"","author":{"name":"Bookman Forever","link":"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/author\/mdbapodcast\/"},"date":"Nov 15, 2024","dateGMT":"2024-11-15 13:18:10","modifiedDate":"2024-11-15 13:18:13","modifiedDateGMT":"2024-11-15 13:18:13","commentCount":"0","commentStatus":"open","categories":{"coma":"<a href=\"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/category\/podcasts\/\" rel=\"category tag\">Podcasts<\/a>","space":"<a href=\"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/category\/podcasts\/\" rel=\"category tag\">Podcasts<\/a>"},"taxonomies":{"post_tag":""},"readTime":{"min":5,"sec":33},"status":"publish","excerpt":""},{"id":2299,"link":"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/honoree-corder-author-of-your-book-means-business-save-time-make-money-and-dominate-your-industry-with-the-power-of-a-bespoke-book\/","name":"honoree-corder-author-of-your-book-means-business-save-time-make-money-and-dominate-your-industry-with-the-power-of-a-bespoke-book","thumbnail":{"url":"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/honoree-corder.png","alt":""},"title":"Honor\u00e9e Corder - Author of \"Your Book Means Business: Save Time, Make Money, and Dominate Your Industry with the Power of a Bespoke Book\"","author":{"name":"Bookman Forever","link":"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/author\/mdbapodcast\/"},"date":"Nov 13, 2024","dateGMT":"2024-11-13 14:28:54","modifiedDate":"2024-11-13 14:42:04","modifiedDateGMT":"2024-11-13 14:42:04","commentCount":"0","commentStatus":"open","categories":{"coma":"<a href=\"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/category\/podcasts\/\" rel=\"category tag\">Podcasts<\/a>","space":"<a href=\"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/category\/podcasts\/\" rel=\"category tag\">Podcasts<\/a>"},"taxonomies":{"post_tag":""},"readTime":{"min":5,"sec":45},"status":"publish","excerpt":""},{"id":2290,"link":"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/frank-somma-author-of-b2b-is-really-p2p-how-to-win-with-high-touch-in-a-high-tech-world\/","name":"frank-somma-author-of-b2b-is-really-p2p-how-to-win-with-high-touch-in-a-high-tech-world","thumbnail":{"url":"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/Frank-Somma.png","alt":""},"title":"Frank Somma - Author of \"B2B Is Really P2P: How to Win With High Touch in a High Tech World\"","author":{"name":"Bookman Forever","link":"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/author\/mdbapodcast\/"},"date":"Nov 7, 2024","dateGMT":"2024-11-07 20:21:31","modifiedDate":"2024-11-07 20:21:34","modifiedDateGMT":"2024-11-07 20:21:34","commentCount":"0","commentStatus":"open","categories":{"coma":"<a href=\"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/category\/podcasts\/\" rel=\"category tag\">Podcasts<\/a>","space":"<a href=\"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/category\/podcasts\/\" rel=\"category tag\">Podcasts<\/a>"},"taxonomies":{"post_tag":""},"readTime":{"min":5,"sec":45},"status":"publish","excerpt":""},{"id":2268,"link":"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/agnesia-agrella-author-of-mind-your-own-business-your-money-is-your-business\/","name":"agnesia-agrella-author-of-mind-your-own-business-your-money-is-your-business","thumbnail":{"url":"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/Agnesia-Agrella.png","alt":""},"title":"Agnesia Agrella - Author of \"Mind Your Own Business: Your Money Is Your Business!!!\"","author":{"name":"Bookman Forever","link":"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/author\/mdbapodcast\/"},"date":"Nov 4, 2024","dateGMT":"2024-11-04 12:00:00","modifiedDate":"2024-11-02 15:27:47","modifiedDateGMT":"2024-11-02 15:27:47","commentCount":"0","commentStatus":"open","categories":{"coma":"<a href=\"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/category\/podcasts\/\" rel=\"category tag\">Podcasts<\/a>","space":"<a href=\"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/category\/podcasts\/\" rel=\"category tag\">Podcasts<\/a>"},"taxonomies":{"post_tag":""},"readTime":{"min":5,"sec":32},"status":"publish","excerpt":""},{"id":2264,"link":"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/andrew-sherman-author-of-mergers-and-acquisitions-from-a-to-z\/","name":"andrew-sherman-author-of-mergers-and-acquisitions-from-a-to-z","thumbnail":{"url":"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/Andrew-Sherman.png","alt":""},"title":"Andrew Sherman - Author of \"Mergers and Acquisitions from A to Z \"","author":{"name":"Bookman Forever","link":"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/author\/mdbapodcast\/"},"date":"Nov 4, 2024","dateGMT":"2024-11-04 11:30:00","modifiedDate":"2024-11-05 17:12:47","modifiedDateGMT":"2024-11-05 17:12:47","commentCount":"0","commentStatus":"open","categories":{"coma":"<a href=\"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/category\/podcasts\/\" rel=\"category tag\">Podcasts<\/a>","space":"<a href=\"https:\/\/blog.milliondollarbookagency.com\/category\/podcasts\/\" rel=\"category tag\">Podcasts<\/a>"},"taxonomies":{"post_tag":""},"readTime":{"min":4,"sec":28},"status":"publish","excerpt":""}]